The Saga of Tanya the Evil (light novel)
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| Well, I got exited when I found out they will be making anime and a little afraid cause i've read the LN and that is borderline impossible to adapt faithfully 1:1. No wonder they decided to make it more action oriented and to drop only hints of the political scene and the inner workings of the military. There would be no philosophy here, no inner monologues, no big thesis and deep thoughts, no moral and emotional dilemmas. It's gonna be 3rd rate sci-fi history action. If I haven't read the source material i'd probably watch the anime, wouldn't be something good, but interesting enough to watch it for several episodes before dropping it, but unfortunately no such luck, one was more than enough. I knew it's gonna disappoint me the moment I saw the teaser and trailer, and now seeing the actual episode just confirmed it. There wasn't a single thing that I liked about it, not even one. The first thing from the trailer was the voice. And I guess I'm in the extreme minority here from the people who read the LN, but... I always imagined Tanya talking with a male adult voice in her head. Maybe cause we first meet the salaryman and see how he thinks and how he dies and how he is reincarnated. Even as Tanya he is still he. An adult male in the body of a baby girl. He never thinks of himself as a she, he doesn't behave like a she (or a child, but that's something else :D), and then when 11 years old was the first time he even thinks about his future life as a female. The major talks about a full complete personality too, so in my eyes Tanya always thinks in her "true" voice. But that is just personal thing and I was ready to skip it and try to get used to it. Also the art looked... fresh. BUT... I know most adaptations cut and skip and change a lot, but this is too much. This episode is just an insult. What is the point of it? Tell me. They skipped so much just to start the story in the middle of nothing. To introduce the characters? They introduced shit, utter shit, that's what they did. After 20 minutes, the viewer knows almost nothing about the main cast, except how they look like (which is the worst btw, very questionable designs at best) and that Tanya is "OP" and "evil", which she is not! Unless they plan to change her whole personality and then truly this will no longer be Youjo Senki. As for Victoria, just to show how ugly they can make her? Even on the things that they can adapt correctly they messed up. They didn't properly show how characters interact with each other, what they think of each other. The scene where Victoria volunteers was butchered. There was that one scene where the two idiots where threatened with a sword and I laughed and almost ready to stop watching then and there. And that grin at the very end was the last straw for me. If they showed Norden first, like it should be timewise, then they could've shown a lot more of Tanya's personality and some backbone to the story as well instead of throwing around some meaningless people saying meaningless things about meaningless awards and medals and titles. Even if they started at the Officer School or with the Major with a headache over the Silver Wings, or with Japan, or the experiments or even with Tanya as a baby it would've been better. In short they picked the worst possible place in time to start the series and didn't do a good job with it at all. So if not for the sake of the characters, then maybe they started from the middle of the war to hook with the action? What? One of the most awesome fights and they skip or change the awesome bits of it. Even if they didn't, the audience would've been lost, cause there is no prior information and explanation why it is awesome. But they opted for the big display of power, which is illogical and stupid at this point in the show. Again like before, there is a fight in Norden which is also very good, it could make the same impressions, it's a lot more informative and post importantly it makes sense. They counted only on visuals here, which are so-so. Not just the fight, but the animation as a whole is so bland. I didn't expect One Punch Man, Space Dandy or movie quality, but I expected more than that, at least something passable, something average, not a lot to ask for. I'm not talking about the style or art, that's a question of personal taste, simply the quality. There is no mystery genre or tag or whatever you may call it. There is no some big mega important or exciting event to makes us wonder how things happened to lead to that point. There is no time travel... There is no good reason to start the anime in the middle of the season and then going back (i do hope they go back at the beginning, for the sake of the people that will continue to watch it and don't fill it with pointless flashbacks and exposition dumps). All that accomplished was to confuse the viewers and make them ask what war is that, who they are fighting and why they are fighting. And these are not the clever questions that make you wonder and wait for the next episode to find out. These are the basic of the basics that should be answered one way or another as soon as the setting is presented. They even showed the map and didn't point where the action is taking place... Let me ask, how many of you remember even what country Tanya is part of and what country they are at war with? (can you tell from memory without watching again? And what about something a little more complex like plan 315?) Don't even get me started on the magic stuff... It was the core of the whole episode and they glanced over it like it's a one time occurrence. There are also a few scenes with no sense whatsoever, not just because the information and reasons behind are yet unknown, but because they changed some things from the source material, but left the logical conclusions the same or the other way around and didn't thought it through. The disappointment hit the roof, be it some new offshoot studio from Madhouse of not. It's really sad when the original is one of my all time favorites and they make it into an abomination. Same reason i don't like Game of Thrones, but I just hate this one. Thank you, even if you don't read my ramblings, just posting it makes me feel better :) |
| its just the 1st ep but if I'm judging it by this alone, then this is shit. Tons of explosion doesn't necessarily mean good action. Boring talk shit. This season is looking to be shit. Last season was good but we can't have good things every time eh. For now I'll be dropping this shitty show. I might pick it up later but there's just not a single thing good about it. LOL at people instantly liking this because edgy war. |
ernstJan 7, 2017 8:37 PM
| "Why do I always realize it... when I've already lost it..." -Guts, Berserk "Some things are beautiful because they cannot be obtained." -Gilgamesh, Fate/stay night "We are constantly living in a peaceful world that somebody else won for us. Even if it were only a day of peace, I will be grateful for its value." - Minashiro Tsubaki, FAFNER "Screw you, future me!" -Makise Kurisu, Steins;Gate "We used to show off by waging wars and whatnot." -Watashi, Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita "Call me Moses. I'm going to part the sea of students before your eyes." -Moses?, Valvrave "Time is guilty." -Andō & Tomoyo, INOU-Battle |
| I wasn’t too fond of the characters designs from the first moment I saw the PV, but that’s OK.... still, I got to admit that Viktoriya’s design is just weird as hell; the worst. Without taking in consideration adaptation faithfulness, the overall episode was somewhat decent. Looking forward the next episode, more or less. |
 We ultimately fear what spawns from within us ~Shinsekai yori Music is freedom. ~Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso |
| This is what I was expecting Izetta to be 3 months ago. Looking pretty good to me!! |
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| So… an anime with a sadistic magical loli… Haven't we seen this somewhere? Yeah, sure, it is inspired on WW1, but this looks pretty cliché to me. Well, at least I got to see Ochako from MHA in this anime. I wonder if Tsuyu appears too… |
Some lazy guy on scene!  waterfallsxo said: Why do I think most of the people who have a crush on Archer are straight males lol. |
| An evil loli is the only acceptable kind of loli. In that respect, Tanya doesn't disappoint, particularly as her devilish nature is complemented by a tremendous amount of power. I guess the following episode will shed some light on her background. I also like the fact that two of my favourite female voice actresses star the show. Not to mention that a WWI-ish setting is a lot more refreshing than the common WWII setting. At the very least this will be better than Izetta... |
| Evil kickass loli Count me in |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| Best anime in this season so far. It kept me at my edge of my seat loved Tanya evil smile at the end ! |
| I love it! 9/10 Maybe the best anime of this season |
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I think im in love O.O |
| an Evil religious Nut Loli mage.... Let's hope this won't turn into another Izetta, but with edge instead of yuri-bait. |
ShrimperorJan 8, 2017 9:49 AM
| I just can't stand the MC, she is just so... edgy and cringy. But somehow she is still pretty interesting. I also have mixed feelings about the animations. The action scenes were well done but the character designs are weird as fuck. I am looking forward what this show will become. 3/5 |
| I actually like on how they start anime after he got reincarnated as girl plus... This actually take places in Chapter 0 (Of course after I translated it and read this is actually what it represents) and now she became and called "The Devil of Rhine".. Mannnn.. many people realized how boring this show cause of the art style which it's not really the same as the manga or even the light novel Truly I'm looking forward for the next ep. of this cause you know it's quite a slow pace sometimes Still i want to see the prologue so badly |
HikiNEET021Jan 8, 2017 9:35 AM
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| Its weird, but I like it. A LOT actually. Well only pilot is aired, but its seems like Izzeta the last witch from WW1 mixed with character origin from Drifters without unsuitable humor but on the other hand, its from unused WW1 and form "evil" point of view, witch added new more exotic extent and main character is deffinitely lawful evil. Yes I still prefered more conservative military anime, so I would prefer no witches, more like All quiet on the western front anime... but that would be probably sort of boring anime, so I would prefer mechas there. Wich would make probably even less sence to plot, because its WW1 ^_^ But I will watch another episodes, anime seems interesting enough. Also, why all those witch characters look so weird? |
Martin_TaylorJan 8, 2017 10:17 AM
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simonswinslam said: They said in the end of the episode that all places were fictives and not related to the real world but how far do they think we re stupid?? why giving a map 100% european with france as republika and its capital Parisee ... germany with that weird name and same for england and italia .. For the Characters an evil loli meh.... 6/10 for the first episode, and this just because the opening is by MYTH & ROID (can't wait to hear it) They're kind of forced to write that in every single fictional story anyway. But to be correct it's an alternate universe where history didn't go the same place. So except if we say that alternate universe exist, that whole world is fictive so indeed all places seen in that anime and all peoples, all towns are as well. Related or not though, well... It depends on how we define related I guess xD. |
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| Well, that was some weird shit I watched Suprising is not so bad. |
| "The future is always blank. Only your willpower can leave footsteps there." "Ruling over death means ruling over life. Death is the climax of life. To have the best death, you must honor life." |
code73 said: This actually takes place in the middle of chapter 3, vol 1 of the light novels and parts of chapter 3. 4 and 5 of the manga, first time hearing about chapter 0 in bothHikiNEET021 said: wow! you translate the novel? i heard it's pretty difficult to translate the novel @.@I actually like on how they start anime after he got reincarnated as girl plus... This actually take places in Chapter 0 (Of course after I translated it and read this is actually what it represents) and now she became and called "The Devil of Rhine".. Mannnn.. many people realized how boring this show cause of the art style which it's not really the same as the manga or even the light novel Truly I'm looking forward for the next ep. of this cause you know it's quite a slow pace sometimes Still i want to see the prologue so badly Martin_Taylor said: That sounds awesome thou, not all mechs have to be ultra future tech and mini spaceships. Imagine steampunk robots ravaging the battlefieldYes I still prefered more conservative military anime, so I would prefer no witches, more like All quiet on the western front anime... but that would be probably sort of boring anime, so I would prefer mechas there. Wich would make probably even less sence to plot, because its WW1 ^_^ it will look good |
flssdd said: Martin_Taylor said: That sounds awesome thou, not all mechs have to be ultra future tech and mini spaceships. Imagine steampunk robots ravaging the battlefieldYes I still prefered more conservative military anime, so I would prefer no witches, more like All quiet on the western front anime... but that would be probably sort of boring anime, so I would prefer mechas there. Wich would make probably even less sence to plot, because its WW1 ^_^ it will look good I would prefer also something more military real, like Armor shrikes from Blue Gender. Well Full Metal Panic ordinary mechs would go for me too. But you should check 1920 artwork.  |
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| ^the way most of those mechs are build is awfully retarded though. wouldn't want that kind of design. |
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| I just started watching shows for this season, but so far, this one is looking to be the best. I mean, lolis, guns, and magic? It's the perfect combo! so far i rate this InsaneLoli/10  lol i just looked at the other replies and it seems i wasnt the only one who thought this was a good picture xD |
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| The show looks very interesting but I dislike the design of the brown haired girl. And considering the OP is by Myth and Roid I'm expecting some great music. Really looking forward to the rest of this show. |
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| Favorite first episode of the season so far! |
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Nidhoeggr said: The stupidity is strong in this one..Garbage as expected, looking forward to laugh at the stupid historical inaccuracies every week. |
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| Well, maybe watching this was a mistake. I'm pretty sure this is my first military anime, so the warfare and all that stuff just flew over my head. After all, the only reason I watched this was because it was an isekai and a genderbender. Yet those 2 things that actually interested me weren't even acknowledged this episode. I get that they started in the middle, but action just doesn't work as a good hook for me. I will come back next week, but that's only because I stubbornly don't want to drop this. |
Eventually_Jan 9, 2017 1:55 AM
| Cross-country >>>>>>>>>>>> Every other sport |
Eve778 said: I can tell you just from this one episode, this is gonna be as much military as FMA or Gate, there will be a few moments where you will see it depicting war and battlefields and being part of a command structure and such, but the feeling won't be there. This will be action sci-fi/fantasy anime that happens to take place in an army, that's all. Honestly Sora no Woto has more military feel to it :DWell, maybe watching this was a mistake. I'm pretty sure this is my first military anime, so the warfare and all that stuff just flew over my head. After all, the only reason I watched this was because it was an iseakai and a genderbender. Yet those 2 things that actually interested me weren't even acknowledged this episode. I get that they started in the middle, but action just doesn't work as a good hook for me. I will come back next week, but that's only because I stubbornly don't want to drop this. |
flssdd said: Thanks for all the information! It definitely makes me relieved to know that this will have about the same level of military whatnot as FMA, which I was able understand quite easily. Eve778 said: I can tell you just from this one episode, this is gonna be as much military as FMA or Gate, there will be a few moments where you will see it depicting war and battlefields and being part of a command structure and such, but the feeling won't be there. This will be action sci-fi/fantasy anime that happens to take place in an army, that's all. Honestly Sora no Woto has more military feel to it :DWell, maybe watching this was a mistake. I'm pretty sure this is my first military anime, so the warfare and all that stuff just flew over my head. After all, the only reason I watched this was because it was an isekai and a genderbender. Yet those 2 things that actually interested me weren't even acknowledged this episode. I get that they started in the middle, but action just doesn't work as a good hook for me. I will come back next week, but that's only because I stubbornly don't want to drop this. |
| Cross-country >>>>>>>>>>>> Every other sport |
| Just to say, Youjo senki novels are far far more military than any of the listed show above. Of any anime I know, in fact. |
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| Yup, the if I have to describe the novels in one word, it can't be anything different than military. Even the style they are written in adds to the militaristic atmosphere and fits the situations and scenes. Makes me wonder how the author agreed to and accepted the way it's adapted :( |
| I'm not a fan of military anime - in fact its probably one of my least favourite genres. However, I thought I'd give this a try anyway and I'm pleasantly suprised. I quite enjoyed the characters, Tanya is intriguing. I'm looking forward to seeing where this series goes. |
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flssdd said: Yup, the if I have to describe the novels in one word, it can't be anything different than military. Even the style they are written in adds to the militaristic atmosphere and fits the situations and scenes. Makes me wonder how the author agreed to and accepted the way it's adapted :( because the role of an anime for a novel is advertising, and if you adapt it as it is in novel form you aren't getting any sale, that will NOT interest anime viewers in buying the books. |
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| It was kind of rhetorical, I know it's more like advertising, and that money and fame are prime motives for success and continuation of professional carrier and anime is the surest and quickest way for it. But what I meant is... (and you know that to be true, you've read the novels too) The author clearly made big effort and put much feeling and time in the series and it's way above the average level. It is not something done in an afternoon or over night, just like that, between other things, like SAO for example. And I'm not against adaptations. The joy of seeing something you like take the skin of another medium, seeing personas move and hearing them talk, being in sync with you imagination or not, it's worth it. The other way around too, tracking the source material of something that caught your attention to see more of it, deep and hidden part of it. What I am against is the way it's adapted. We both agree it can't be on the same level of the novels, it's impossible to be 1:1 or even 1:1/2 even if they want, but it's like they went out of their way to make it shit. This is not a good advertisement and it sullies what the author created. |
| Maybe a tad influenced by the vision, these days, the movies, Kara no Kyoukai: The Garden of Sinners, I found less exciting than I thought, the narrative of this anime. However, compared to the impressions given in the PV, the story is less dramatic and bloody. However reappointment, the excellent work done by Studio NUT, with regard to the drawings and the magnificent backdrops; the clouds are so beautiful. Good quality, also animations and soundtrack. Perhaps out of place with the context, the face of the character of Viktoriya, but also the behavior of Tanya, it is quite weird, than what I imagined. |
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flssdd said: It was kind of rhetorical, I know it's more like advertising, and that money and fame are prime motives for success and continuation of professional carrier and anime is the surest and quickest way for it. But what I meant is... (and you know that to be true, you've read the novels too) The author clearly made big effort and put much feeling and time in the series and it's way above the average level. It is not something done in an afternoon or over night, just like that, between other things, like SAO for example. And I'm not against adaptations. The joy of seeing something you like take the skin of another medium, seeing personas move and hearing them talk, being in sync with you imagination or not, it's worth it. The other way around too, tracking the source material of something that caught your attention to see more of it, deep and hidden part of it. What I am against is the way it's adapted. We both agree it can't be on the same level of the novels, it's impossible to be 1:1 or even 1:1/2 even if they want, but it's like they went out of their way to make it shit. This is not a good advertisement and it sullies what the author created. Then again you can also clearly see that the anime studio put a lot of effort in the outfit, weaponry, buildings, technology shown in that episode to really put back together what it looked like back then, as well as put a lot of effort in animating the battlefield and showing it properly. I've honestly NEVER saw an anime putting so much effort in rendering a modern battlefield with that much fidelity. So I would say that they clearly went out of their way to respect the military level of the original work in their own way, even if they cannot respect the original work on other things due to the "advertisement" nature not allowing it. Other things like the sounds effects, music, voice acting are gorgeous too. I wouldn't blame them so far, there's definitely problems with that episode but there are also surprisingly good elements as well. |
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| Boring shit, dropping after 3rd episode ... |
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Zefyris said: One aspect does not make up for the lacking in another sphere. Especially when the lacking parts are the important ones for creating a good anime. The details are a very nice thing to have, but if the base sucks, the whole thing sucks. It's alternative reality so they didn't have to recreate the exact uniforms or weapons or guns, and that could be plausible excuse to just draw whatever. Clearly some people at that studio are better at their job than others. Kudos.Then again you can also clearly see that the anime studio put a lot of effort in the outfit, weaponry, buildings, technology shown in that episode to really put back together what it looked like back then, as well as put a lot of effort in animating the battlefield and showing it properly. I've honestly NEVER saw an anime putting so much effort in rendering a modern battlefield with that much fidelity. So I would say that they clearly went out of their way to respect the military level of the original work in their own way, even if they cannot respect the original work on other things due to the "advertisement" nature not allowing it. Other things like the sounds effects, music, voice acting are gorgeous too. I wouldn't blame them so far, there's definitely problems with that episode but there are also surprisingly good elements as well. But even I can imagine a good starting point of the series with all the things that should, should not and could not be put in anime variant and very importantly how to be put in. With small changes and big changes that don't turn it into something ugly and illogically stupid and totally different from what it should be. All the things that should be explained properly and not just with some war map out of nowhere and someone talking or thinking just for the sake of the viewer and at the end still no relevant information whatsoever. That was the worst introduction to the world, might as well open the first page of its wiki and copy it on the screen. The writing is very bad, the directing too, the animation on few places is awful, and having a few special meaningless effects here and there after that just makes the whole thing look worse. There is no story presented... like at all, and the trailer made better introduction of the characters than the first episode which is saying a lot. There is nothing to care about and nothing intriguing to latch on. The character designs don't deserve even a comment. Like I said somewhere up there "What is the point of this episode?" It fails on almost every front. The rest of the good you pointed out... There is no need to defend them, I can see it. But they are things that the studio themselves are not directly responsible for - they don't create the sound effects, the music or the voice acting, and although good that does not save it, these are factors that can break an anime, but can't make it. I don't need an audio book with some pictures moving around. I'm not saying it's shit cause it doesn't respect the original work, (i doubt they even read it thou). I'm saying it's shit because that's what it is. Why would the advertising nature of the whole project does not allow a good anime? The guy that did the historical research aside, maybe the others also have invested a lot of time and effort, but if that is their best, it's not enough, it's not nearly good enough. Like Tanya would say "You wanted to make that, but if you are too incompetent to do it, then die." You yourself said that this episode has some problems and that's a huge understatement. |
Eve778 said: Funnily, I actually was expecting just the bare minimum references for both the isekai aspect and the genderbender aspect. But even just that's satisfying. I'm an avid fan of genderbenders, so I'm used to it not being thought of as not a big deal in many stories. But they always end up enjoyable, so hopefully I'll enjoy this too. Iam also big fan of mecha but most of them are awefully stupid, especially at military aspect I like. Life is full of dissapointment. |
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| Early WW1 style battle in 1924 with Germany having no allies... umm ok. Still teh few W1 -era or style warfare anime out there so I must watch. The art style for the guys seems fine to me but I'm not used to the female design... |
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Zefyris said: This can explain a lot for me then. It really felt straight forward and kind of came out of nowhere. I sometimes wonder why make shows like this if you are just gonna butcher it. Okaaaay there are huge changes from the original story and on so many level it's impossible to list. They intend to make a really straight forward entertaining action magic military I guess. That could work for the sales I suppose, I mean the original material is impossible to adapt in anime as it is anyway. Like ten times too complex for the average anime watcher's attention spawn so that would lead to a borefest that doesn't sell, no a smart idea. Guess I'll just sit back and enjoy the animation and Y.Aoi 's voice acting then. That could be a fun ride nonetheless. Not sure the animation will remain as good for long, but hey, can always hope. But man Visha is really ugly in the anime. What the hell seriously. EDIT : @Tokoya : I didn't especially expect them to be faithful to the original story, and they were even less than I expected. Peoples wanting a good and proper military story should read the novels, my position on this didn't really change. Anime will be mostly for action and should be watched as such. Anyway I'm checking this anime out because it's a new company and just learned the ex-cofounder of Madhouse and his team are behind this. With that said....my god what the fuck is up with the animation? It has that uncanny valley effect. Also Tanya's voice actor is unfitting. It sounds like a 5 year old ordering around grown men. The faces and mouths are so shape weirdly. The voice acting isn't nothing to write home about but everyone is doing their job. I also feel the mages and this whole magic thing kind of came out of nowhere. Anyway I only got three shows to watch this winter, I'll muscle through it. I feel they should have just made an original show than adapting something too complex to become an anime. |
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| Rip I'm late. Anyways, the art is really unique, the characters are a little bland, but the story seems interesting...? The battles were literally, "Magic! Bullets! EXPLOSIONS!" I liked Tanya and how people described her tho. Her designs are kewl looking and her backstory is mysterious~ I have high hopes for this anime and what Studio NUT has to offer. ;3; |
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